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First, they discuss why ExxonMobil (NYSE: XOM) might have to cut the value it's placing on its reserves by a whopping 19%, and where the cuts would be if they do. Second, they consider the reasons why the price tag for Chevron's (NYSE: CVX) Gorgon LNG project in Australia has gone from an estimated $35 billion to an actual $54 billion.
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This podcast was recorded on Nov. 1, 2016.
Sean O'Reilly: I wanted to get your thoughts on a couple of oil majors. ExxonMobil had the potential accounting scandal -- I don't know how to describe it.
Taylor Muckerman: Yeah, the SEC said they were investigating.
O'Reilly: Yeah. And it is kind of wild that their oil reserves haven't really come down in light of oil prices in the past few years. However, on the other hand, Exxon is known for its conservatism in estimating reserves. So, what's going on here?
Muckerman: So they say.
O'Reilly: Ah, so they say.
Muckerman: They're known for what they say.
O'Reilly: That being said, Exxon might have to lower its reserves.
Muckerman: Yeah, they say they might lower them about 19%. This isn't going to be a global reduction in reserves. This is going to be predominantly coming out of their Kearl Canadian oil sands operations, lowering the expected reserves from that by about 75%.
O'Reilly: And is that price based, meaning, you and I both know the costs associated with oil sands.
Muckerman: Yeah, oil sands is one of the most expensive, outside of deep water.
O'Reilly: Stop me if I'm wrong, but it's like $80 to $90 a barrel.
Muckerman: It's close, if you really get into the high tail of the Canadian oil sands. And you saw Royal Dutch Shell sell $1.4 billion of Canadian oil sands assets, maybe a month or so ago. So, just trying to trim down on these higher-cost projects. They're also going to trim a little bit of reserves from other North American fields. Pretty much all coming from North America, predominantly coming from the Canadian oil sands. This is after they released a 38% drop in third-quarter earnings, right along there with Total and Chevron displaying lower earnings in this latest third quarter. It is interesting that they're now saying they might lower their reserves. And 19% is no small amount. But then again, they can raise the reserves again once oil prices rebound, if they do.
O'Reilly: For sure. So, really quick, what did you think of Chevron's cost overruns at its Australian LNG operations? That's supposed to be the growth business, so that's unfortunate.
Muckerman: They're heavily invested in Australian LNG, multiple projects, Wheatstone and Gorgon being two of the largest, if not the largest projects, in the whole Australian LNG scene. And yeah, you're looking at total in Australia's LNG market, $50 billion in cost overruns.
Muckerman: Yeah. You're talking about $5 billion more from Chevron, they just announced, on their Wheatstone LNG. But the largest by far, you look at its Gorgon project, and that was projected to cost $35 billion, it's now right around $54 billion.
O'Reilly: It was a gorgon when it was supposed to be $35 billion. Now it's a Gorgon.
Muckerman: Now it's a GORGON, every single letter is capitalized. That's not only the most expensive projected, but it's also the most expensive now being realized--
O'Reilly: Were there hints of this stuff happening?
Muckerman: They slowly announced these things, $1 billion at a time, until all of a sudden, you're like, "Holy smokes, that almost doubled the price of what they were expecting." Granted, these projects supposedly have 30, 40 year lifespans. But you look at the price of LNG in the stock market, when some of these projects were announced back in 2012-13...
O'Reilly: It seemed like a good idea at the time.
Muckerman: ...and it's, like, 2/3 lower now. So, not only are you spending more, but you're not making as much if you're selling LNG right now. So, they're definitely hoping for a rebound. But they're not the only one. Woodside cancelled a $40 billion project that they were partnering with BP and Shell on.
O'Reilly: There's these capex cuts again.
Muckerman: And Shell cancelled a $20 billion project, the Arrow LNG project. At least they're not overrunning, they're just scrapping them altogether.